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Billy Szeto
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發表發表於: 星期四 七月 12, 2007 1:36 pm    文章主題: bidding sequence after stayman 引言回覆

Practice hands with my students a couple of days ago. You are third seat and hold the following hand:

S 10xxx H A10xx D AJxxx C -----

The bidding goes:

1NT (15-17) - 2C ; 2H - ???

Actually partner holds:

S Ax H KQJx D KQxx C 10xx

6H is cold (even 7H with good breaks). How to discover such kind of "天仙配" hands?
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發表發表於: 星期四 七月 12, 2007 1:49 pm    文章主題: Re: bidding sequence after stayman 引言回覆

Methodology
After Stayman,
(1) Responder jump bid of 3Spade over 2Heart shows unknown singleton/void with 4+Heart FIT.
Opener relays with 3NT and Responder can show his shortness
4Club/4Diamond/4Heart = S/V in Club/Diamond/Spade respectively (or in other order)

(2) Responder bids another Major (3Heart) over 2Spade shows unknown singleton/void with 4+Spade FIT.
Opener relays with 3Spade and Responder can show his shortness
3NT/4Club/4Diamond = S/V in Heart/Club/Diamond respectively (or in other order)

The rationale is that after locating FIT in one Major, it is not necessary to inform Opener another Major. As a result, the Other Major (OM) can be deployed to show shortness.

(Ref: Aces Scientific by Bobby Goldman)

Worth the Try?
Responder's hand: 9 HCP with 5-card suit and a void, 4 Controls
The weapon is in the arsenal. Nevertheless, does the Responder's hand strong enough to try for slam?

N.B. Should not bid 7Heart as the grand slam is against the odds.

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Alan Sze
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發表發表於: 星期四 七月 12, 2007 4:11 pm    文章主題: Re: bidding sequence after stayman 引言回覆

Billy Szeto 寫到:
Practice hands with my students a couple of days ago. You are third seat and hold the following hand:

S 10xxx H A10xx D AJxxx C -----

The bidding goes:

1NT (15-17) - 2C ; 2H - ???

Actually partner holds:

S Ax H KQJx D KQxx C 10xx

6H is cold (even 7H with good breaks). How to discover such kind of "天仙配" hands?


I personally would try SPL 4Club, if it is available.

Or I would try the tools of showing 44(14) or 44(05), by responding to 1NT. That is,
1NT 2NT
3Club 3NT
4Club 4Diamond
4NT 5Heart
6Heart

2NT = relay to 3Club, either weak Club or 44(14)/44(05);
3Club = yes sir;
3NT = short Club;
4Club = slam interest in either one of the 3 suits;
4Diamond = suit?? or cue??;
4NT = RKC in Diamond supposingly;
5Heart = 2KC;
6Heart = to play;
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David CC Ng
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發表發表於: 星期四 七月 12, 2007 5:40 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

Alan Sze also introduces his method of showing the Club shortage. He is in the opinion that the Responder's hand being strong enough to kick-off the splintering sequence, whatever it is.

My view: Exchange the Diamond Queen for the Diamond Jack, I may initiate the splintering sequence. I am a little bid 'chicken' for the hand quoted by Billy Szeto. What I worry being that Partner may overbid his hand once he finds little wastage in Club (a suitable hand but not such a perfect hand)

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發表發表於: 星期五 七月 13, 2007 8:21 am    文章主題: Re: bidding sequence after stayman 引言回覆

David CC Ng 寫到:
Methodology
After Stayman,
(1) Responder jump bid of 3Spade over 2Heart shows unknown singleton/void with 4+Heart FIT.
Opener relays with 3NT and Responder can show his shortness
4Club/4Diamond/4Heart = S/V in Club/Diamond/Spade respectively (or in other order)

(2) Responder bids another Major (3Heart) over 2Spade shows unknown singleton/void with 4+Spade FIT.
Opener relays with 3Spade and Responder can show his shortness
3NT/4Club/4Diamond = S/V in Heart/Club/Diamond respectively (or in other order)

The rationale is that after locating FIT in one Major, it is not necessary to inform Opener another Major. As a result, the Other Major (OM) can be deployed to show shortness.

(Ref: Aces Scientific by Bobby Goldman)

Worth the Try?
Responder's hand: 9 HCP with 5-card suit and a void, 4 Controls
The weapon is in the arsenal. Nevertheless, does the Responder's hand strong enough to try for slam?

N.B. Should not bid 7Heart as the grand slam is against the odds.

David CC Ng


just out of curiosity in knowing more
so what do you play for the sequence
1N - 2C
2H - 4C?
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發表發表於: 星期五 七月 13, 2007 10:57 am    文章主題: 引言回覆

1NT-2Club (1)
2Heart -4Club

1NT-2Club (2)
2Spade -4Club

In both sequences (1) & (2), 4Club by Responder is Gerber or RKC (select your own favor version).

1NT-2Club (3)
2Heart -4NT

1NT-2Club (4)
2Spade -4NT

In both sequences (3) & (4), 4NT by Responder is Quantitative Raise to 6NT; indicating 4-card in another Major. The HCP strength held by the Responder is equivalent to that of 1NT-4NT.

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發表發表於: 星期六 七月 14, 2007 9:16 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

In Hardy 2/1

1N-2Club
2M-

4Club=RKC
4Diamond=Balance invite to slam with 4-card fit
4N = invite 6N with 4-card in other Major
3oM=Splinter somewhere

and now, I don't play stayman, so cannot answer this question Smile
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發表發表於: 星期四 七月 29, 2010 8:55 pm    文章主題: 引言回覆

4C for spinter with heart fit
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Alan Sze
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發表發表於: 星期五 七月 30, 2010 1:41 pm    文章主題: Re: bidding sequence after stayman 引言回覆

David CC Ng 寫到:

(2) Responder bids another Major (3Heart) over 2Spade shows unknown singleton/void with 4+Spade FIT.
Opener relays with 3Spade and Responder can show his shortness
3NT/4Club/4Diamond = S/V in Heart/Club/Diamond respectively (or in other order)

The rationale is that after locating FIT in one Major, it is not necessary to inform Opener another Major. As a result, the Other Major (OM) can be deployed to show shortness.



By the way, this could be improved after the 3Spade relay, to distinguish void or singleton:
3NT = void in somewhere
4Club / Diamond / Heart = singleton in Club / Diamond / Heart respectively

the 4Club after 3NT asking for which void:
4Diamond / Heart / Spade = void in Diamond / Heart / Club respectively
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